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Post by cm7 on Jun 18, 2010 22:46:38 GMT
Bromley
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Post by mooresy25 on Jun 19, 2010 11:31:58 GMT
Bromley have obviously found a pot of gold! Good luck Craig, I guess we'll see you between the Braintree sticks (AGAIN) mid way through next season.....!
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Post by securityrob on Jun 19, 2010 15:15:51 GMT
Still not a step up. Still no bigger clubs for you then craig.
Keep trying you get there one day. Perhaps once you gone through the rest of the bss clubs.
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Post by dav on Jun 20, 2010 16:47:19 GMT
Good move for Hollers, right on his doorstep I believe. Good luck to him, there is no doubt he has been a fantastic keeper for us in the two spells and the scattergun approach at the start of last season showed how difficult it was to replace him.
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Post by cm7 on Jun 20, 2010 17:05:44 GMT
Superb keeper who deserves another shot at league football but I believe he works at Bannatynes Gym somewhere so with his high wages through football and his wages as a gym instructor he's probably got a few quid in his wallet! May be more in it for the money than the love of the game?
Good luck to Craig and as Dav said, its right on his doorstep.
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Post by jimbo on Jun 21, 2010 9:57:48 GMT
There seems to be an idea that Craig (and some of our other former players) are wrong to move for more money. If I was a good enough footballer with a limited number of years in the game, I would feel that I had no choice but to get as much money as I could to support my family and pay my mortgage. Loyalty to one club did not pay in the long run for many players in the old days (when players spent their whole careers with one club) and the modern way is for just about every good player to move from club to club every 2 or 3 years.
I fully support the praise for Craig who was a excellent goalie for us and in all the games in which I saw him play, he always gave 100%.
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Post by peterfoster on Jun 22, 2010 8:54:55 GMT
Yes. It never ceases to amaze me when some fans exhibit such blatant double-standards and hypocrisy by castigating players who move on for more money and yet will probably have acted in a similar fashion with their own employments....
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Post by gunner on Jun 22, 2010 19:39:34 GMT
Yes. It never ceases to amaze me when some fans exhibit such blatant double-standards and hypocrisy by castigating players who move on for more money and yet will probably have acted in a similar fashion with their own employments....
I totally agree for some players don't earn bundles and like anybody if your filling a shelf in Tesco's earning £5.80 per hour and Asda offer you the same job at £7.00 per hour most people would jump ship.
The fact is we depend on money to survive in life and yes we all want more and if you can get it then why not.
Good luck to any player that moves on lets not slag them of lets thank them for thier achievments last year and wish them the best.
By the way not all players earn thousands only higher leagues we probabley only offer tops £150 no bonus and only 42 weeks a year not many people can save for close of season to earn nothing.
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Post by ozbrit on Jun 23, 2010 0:00:50 GMT
Yes Gunner, but it's not the big money moves that has some of us puzzled, but the players who will up sticks for another fiver or tenner, only to find the grass isn't greener and then want to come back. It's happened with this particular player and he's not the first.
I personally find it strange there are so many players who look upon part time football as being a regular source of income. Sure they get paid, but playing at this level should be viewed as something they do for enjoyment and getting paid is a bonus and recompense for all the travelling etc. I know plenty of people in low paid jobs who spend much of their out of work time playing golf or going fishing or for that matter travel the country spectating football. They all pay for the privilege.
How many of these poor players are driving flash cars, wear expensive clothing and generally live a lifestyle that their professional qualifications suggests they can't really afford?
Now put it another way. You own a theatre and put on a show, but the theatre is only a fifth full and the theatre owners have to continually seek new finance to keep the show running and continue paying the actors. Do you think thats a great model for a Business? Of course not, the owners would soon sell the land the Theatre stands on. Yet football continues to be financed by the blood sweat and tears of the lovers of the game with players often performing in front of a few hundred paying spectators.
Sorry but I reckon they're spoilt. I realise they're only exploiting the daft situation, but lucky all the same.
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Post by peterfoster on Jun 23, 2010 9:27:23 GMT
....but the players who will up sticks for another fiver or tenner...."
What proof do you have that players do change clubs for "another fiver or tenner...."
"....only to find the grass isn't greener and then want to come back....
And what's wrong with that. If a player moves for a reasonable increase in wages and then finds out that, for example, he isn't been paid or he isn't getting sufficient first-team opportunities why shouldn't he consider returning to a former club? As long as the former club is happy for him to return. Nothing ventured nothing gained....
"....playing at this level should be viewed as something they do for enjoyment....
How very utopian....
"I know plenty of people in low paid jobs who spend much of their out of work time playing golf or going fishing or for that matter travel the country spectating football. They all pay for the privilege."
Yes, it's nice to have the choice as to what you do with your free time. For professonal footballers, of course, it's not free time as they are earning a living....
"How many of these poor players are driving flash cars, wear expensive clothing and generally live a lifestyle that their professional qualifications suggests they can't really afford?"
What "poor" players.... And why are "professional qualifications" at all the issue.... "
Now put it another way. You own a theatre and put on a show, but the theatre is only a fifth full and the theatre owners have to continually seek new finance to keep the show running and continue paying the actors. Do you think thats a great model for a Business? Of course not, the owners would soon sell the land the Theatre stands on. Yet football continues to be financed by the blood sweat and tears of the lovers of the game with players often performing in front of a few hundred paying spectators. "
But the actors, booking office staff, scenery shifters and so on may well choose to move to the theatre down the street if they feel that would be beneficial to them and their careers, shirley.... The only difference between persons in these professions and football players is that their careers are likely to be materailly longer....
"Sorry but I reckon they're spoilt. I realise they're only exploiting the daft situation, but lucky all the same."
Everyone, including players, is entitled to extract what they can from their careers. Unlike accountants, for example, players have a relatively short period in which to achieve this....
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Post by stevea on Jun 23, 2010 12:01:24 GMT
Craig has been an excellent keeper for us & I wish him well.
Got to agree with Ozbrit though. Football cannot be seen as a career at this level & until all non-league players realise this, they will have this eternal merry go round chasing the extra cash. Of course it is their right to run thier lives as they wish, but can't believe when they look back after the football ends that it was the best thing in retrospect. Sure, get some cash from footy for all those nice extras in life, but thats all.
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Post by peterfoster on Jun 24, 2010 11:59:15 GMT
So at what level of football does it "become a career" in your view, stevea. And what is the ingredient which converts it from a non-career to a career....
Professional football at any level is a career like any other. Players should not be castigated for seeking to do the best they can, monetarily, for themselves and their families over what is a relatively short career....
"....but can't believe when they look back after the football ends that it was the best thing in retrospect...."
But at least they might be debt-free....
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Post by ironfoureva on Jun 24, 2010 12:40:25 GMT
I think Stevea has clearly stated the level is not BSS which is virtually made up of part timers right!
I help my mate out erecting TV aerials for payment some weekends but I certainly don't consider that to be a career.
Are you always so pedantic?
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Post by cm7 on Jun 24, 2010 13:21:51 GMT
peter, instead of coming on here and picking holes in everything our supporters put on our messageboard, cant you go back to the 'soapbox' and do it on yours.
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Post by peterfoster on Jun 24, 2010 13:25:27 GMT
I think Stevea has clearly stated the level is not BSS which is virtually made up of part timers right! I help my mate out erecting TV aerials for payment some weekends but I certainly don't consider that to be a career. Are you always so pedantic? I agree that Stevea has stated that "the level is not BSS." And I asked him for his opinion as to the level of football that he would consider to be a career.... Interesting that you appear to be of the view that simply because most (but not all) BSS players are part time they should not be considered to have "careers...." You make the common mistake of not comparing like with like with your "TV aerials" parallel, ironfoureva.... For a start, BSS players train twice a week and more often than not play two games a week and are generally employed by the clubs (i.e. "on the payroll") In your capacity as a part-time TV aerial erector, I would guess that you are not "employed" in a legal sense and that your involvement is more casual than is the involvement of a BSS footballer.... But if you were were "on the payroll" when you carried out your duties a "TV Aerial erector" and the work was regular then I for one would consider your activities to be a "career...." You seem to be confusing "pedantry" with "accuracy," ironfoureva. Perhaps by merely taking issue with people on this messageboard by stating an alternative view and standing my corner I am guilty, in the eyes of some, of pedantry.... Professional footballers are on a par, in my view, in these regards, to anyone else paid to do a job, whether part time or full time. i.e. they are trying to earn the best living they can for themselves and their families.... |
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Post by dav on Jun 25, 2010 9:38:43 GMT
Are we really going to have to follow the lead of the soapbox and set up a forum from which you are banned. Personally you may well have a point, but since I can't be bothered reading your irrelevant ramblings, I wouldn't know!!
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