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Post by Iron Webbo on Feb 28, 2014 6:32:54 GMT
Sorry to hear that mate, get yourself a copy tomorrow for all the latest, etc.
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Post by dbbn on Feb 28, 2014 11:34:40 GMT
Oh dear they don't have much luck with local councils do they. What's the latest with our proposed new ground Mr Webbo? Yes it's been a very frustrating 10 years plus for Bees fans. You wonder how a stadium like the Emirates can spring up in the middle of a highly dense housing estate without any problems; yet a facility that has been set up to serve the community can cause so much unrest with the local authority.
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Post by Iron Webbo on Feb 28, 2014 13:25:23 GMT
I'm a bit of a traditionalist I know, but I always feel that clubs that move out of the area they purport to represent, are selling their soul.
Knowing it well as I do, I'm sure Underhill would meet all the needs for any non-League club.
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Post by dbbn on Mar 1, 2014 9:56:34 GMT
I'm a bit of a traditionalist I know, but I always feel that clubs that move out of the area they purport to represent, are selling their soul. Knowing it well as I do, I'm sure Underhill would meet all the needs for any non-League club. You need to brush up on the events surrounding Underhill. Yes the ground does meet non-league and league 2 criteria; that wasn't the issue. Barnet had plans passed to take over Copthall Athletics Stadium over 10 years ago; only for 2 Jags to call the plans in at the last moment. Now Saracens have been allowed to play there. There have been numerous battles between the Tory Barnet Council and Barnet FC over the ground sale, access rights and many other issues to numerous to post. Neither were they allowed to rebuild using the cricket club they bought next to the ground. The chairman Mr Kleanthous always wanted to build a new stadium fit for purpose in the borough; the council had no interest in this and couldn't see the benefits of doing so. If the opportunity arises; then Barnet will relocate into the borough again. Be grateful that Braintree do not appear to have such a poor administration countering their very existence.
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Post by ironmansimon on Mar 1, 2014 20:45:59 GMT
How's your crystal ball working now Simon? Ball workin fine pal, Mr Hyde has scored only 11 goals and pulled his hamstring in his last game, and what with only 10 games left yes maybe they are looking play off candidates but I was referring to them 'walking' the league. thus far I think thats Luton, Season not over yet so what was your point ? I bet also many people would not of had Wrexham to of been so piss poor, or FGR who im pretty sure I said they would amount to nothing. Here is one for you crystal ball says Barnet, Braintree, Halifax and Luton to all win this weekend !! Ok so the crystal ball messed up my accumulator. But Barnet lost their unbeaten run well I never 9 games to go for them 3 tricky ones.
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Post by Iron Webbo on Mar 2, 2014 9:20:39 GMT
I'm a bit of a traditionalist I know, but I always feel that clubs that move out of the area they purport to represent, are selling their soul. Knowing it well as I do, I'm sure Underhill would meet all the needs for any non-League club. You need to brush up on the events surrounding Underhill. Yes the ground does meet non-league and league 2 criteria; that wasn't the issue. Barnet had plans passed to take over Copthall Athletics Stadium over 10 years ago; only for 2 Jags to call the plans in at the last moment. Now Saracens have been allowed to play there. There have been numerous battles between the Tory Barnet Council and Barnet FC over the ground sale, access rights and many other issues to numerous to post. Neither were they allowed to rebuild using the cricket club they bought next to the ground. The chairman Mr Kleanthous always wanted to build a new stadium fit for purpose in the borough; the council had no interest in this and couldn't see the benefits of doing so. If the opportunity arises; then Barnet will relocate into the borough again. Be grateful that Braintree do not appear to have such a poor administration countering their very existence. I'm aware of recent events and how they have been portrayed by that Club in their local press. But, as usual, there are two sides to every story. The Copthall Athletics Stadium was also looked at by Hendon and is a soul-less place. If they're happy to play with the 'funny shaped ball' there, good luck to them. As to battles with local authorities, there is no need - in my opinion. So my view, that clubs that move out of the area they purport to represent are selling their soul - still stands. As does my view that Underhill would meet all the needs for any non-League club. Finally, we don't need to be grateful about our existence. No. We work hard to ensure its continuation and growth in the town we are proud to represent. You won't see us moving to, say, Uttlesford in a hissy fit!
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Post by dbbn on Mar 2, 2014 22:01:24 GMT
Sorry Iron you are so far off the mark. Before moving to this area in 2012, the Bees had been my team for over 20 years. The plans for Copthall were not going to leave it a "soul less" place. The following is a snap shot of the troubles with Barnet Council: Despite success on the pitch, off it Barnet FC have struggled to improve their ground. A plan to move to Copthall Stadium in Mill Hill was blocked by a Government Planning Inspector and a proposed move to South Underhill has been quashed. There have always been problems with the ground, Underhill, which is in need of modernisation. A controversial sale of the ground's freehold in 2002 to the Club by the London Borough of Barnet failed to produce any changes to the stadium. Meanwhile, successive Conservative-controlled administrations of the local council have never acted on statements of support for the club; indeed, many Keep Barnet Alive (KBA) supporters consider Conservative members of the council to be indifferent to the future of the club. Attempts by the club to sort out the ground issue, either by making improvements to the current site or by finding a site elsewhere in the borough, have so far failed. The Keep Barnet Alive (KBA) movement has been central to fighting Barnet FC's corner on this issue. However, some modernization of Underhill has taken place. This included rebuilding both the north and south stands to comply with the League requirement of 2,000 additional covered seats. There is now in 2013 a substantial new South Stand and a small, temporary, covered structure as the North Stand, just to the right of the North Terrace. Away fans used this seating.
Money has been spent to improve Underhill, but for the future the chairman wanted for the club; it no longer met those requirements. I'm sure that all in charge of Braintree are doing their best to keep the team on an even keel and I hope that long may it grow and it's future will always be in Braintree. One thing you cannot guarantee is that it will be!
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Post by Iron Webbo on Mar 3, 2014 10:15:41 GMT
Thanks for that - useful stuff, but I can only recount personal experience and, whenever I'd been to Copthall, trust me, it was soul-less.
From what I know, Barnet had (and presumably still have) a Football League grading for Underhill, more so following the erection of the South Stand.
In my experience working with local authorities is a two-way thing. From what I've heard, there is definitely another side to this element of the 'story'.
Again from what I know, I'm not sure that KBA have succeeded in their mission with the club now having relocated to Harrow. Ironically, where the club now also seem to have problems with another local authority - a pattern emerging, perhaps?
As to the future the chairman wanted for the club, I can't help feeling that it has been focused on what's best for the Chairman, rather than what's best for the club and Barnet supporters.
Personally, I'm not in favour of clubs moving from the area they represent. There are no guarantees in life but, while I'm associated with this Club, I will do all I can to ensure we stay in Braintree.
Thanks for the info - all the best!
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Post by ironmansimon on Mar 18, 2014 22:12:32 GMT
Ball workin fine pal, Mr Hyde has scored only 11 goals and pulled his hamstring in his last game, and what with only 10 games left yes maybe they are looking play off candidates but I was referring to them 'walking' the league. thus far I think thats Luton, Season not over yet so what was your point ? I bet also many people would not of had Wrexham to of been so piss poor, or FGR who im pretty sure I said they would amount to nothing. Here is one for you crystal ball says Barnet, Braintree, Halifax and Luton to all win this weekend !! Ok so the crystal ball messed up my accumulator. But Barnet lost their unbeaten run well I never 9 games to go for them 3 tricky ones. My oh my Barnet lose again ......
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Post by dbbn on Mar 20, 2014 11:25:04 GMT
Yes the wheels have well and truly fallen off at the Hive. Looks like Braintree have a great chance of finishing above them and I'm looking forward to going there on Easter Monday. Barnet are well under-performing and no one can put their finger on the reasons why. Got to fancy the Iron gaining revenge.
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Post by Iron Webbo on Mar 21, 2014 13:18:42 GMT
Any views on Martin Allen going back for a fourth time?
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Post by dbbn on Mar 22, 2014 10:28:25 GMT
This comes into the category "You couldn't make it up". He has always seen the club do better under his leadership, especially the 2 miraculous escapes from the inevitable drop back to the Conference. Many fans see him as a Judas and have flooded the forum to vent their disapproval. They've already published a thread asking "Has Allen left yet?". For me the football and results will get better and I'd be surprised if they didn't now make the play offs.
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