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Post by ozbrit on Aug 26, 2013 14:30:11 GMT
Dean Wells red carded after only a few mins play. Bad decision going by the BBC match commentary.
Alan Massey concedes penalty and gets red carded after 32 mins, Nathan McDonald superbly saves penalty kick.
HT. IRON 0 Barnet 0.
GoIRONGo!
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Post by braintreeboy on Aug 26, 2013 14:53:52 GMT
Oh dear, due to the c*** of a ref spoiling the game devs will no doubt have to dip into the loan market for the nxt 3 games just to compete without Deano n Massey  ((((( |
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Post by mjt on Aug 26, 2013 16:29:14 GMT
well for my money ref got both reds right wells went to ground with both feet and studs showing and massey was clumsy for his challenge... a great battling effort thereafter from all the players though, thought barnet were poor and with 11 could have been interesting as marks made their 2 central defenders look silly at times.
why o why make the 2 subs straight away though ?
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Post by 1672 on Aug 26, 2013 17:04:26 GMT
The two sendings-off ruined it as a game and I was sorry for the very many(hundreds?) of young people using their free season tickets for the first time. It was not a good way to start supporting the Iron.
We did very well to hold out to 0-0 at half-time and despite conceding a goal just after the break we did not give in and continued to work our socks off. In the last five minutes or so we flagged, hence the late goal.
The first sending off was because one of our players slipped over going for a loose ball. Barnet were now going to pick it up and Deano really had to run hard to try and recover the siruation, hence the poor challenge. We had several other players slip over in this game, but none, as far as I could see, by Barnet. I have raised this issue before on the amount of slipping and sliding we do and again wonder whether we have the right boots/studs.
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Post by 1672 on Aug 26, 2013 17:09:02 GMT
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Post by dbbn on Aug 26, 2013 18:05:50 GMT
Good to see people agreeing with the ref about the red cards; unlike some loud mouth in the seats giving large to the ref for 90 minutes. It's not his fault that those challenges were made, Wells seemed to stop, then go again once he sensed the danger; but flew in with both feet. The second red again warranted when the Barnet striker was denied a clear scoring opportunity. The Iron battled well in the first half and perhaps Marks should've done better after both Barnet centre halves cocked up a bouncing ball. Barnet changed it half time replacing a centre back with a striker and it was always going to be a game of attack v defence. The lads battled hard throughout, but it was a massive ask to keep them out for another 45 minutes. The biggest lost was not the 3 points, but the 3 match bans for Wells & Massey; I reckon Devs will need a short term loanee as cover in the interim.
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Post by coludave on Aug 26, 2013 18:34:48 GMT
I think a lot of refs would have given a yellow for wells challenge being as it was so early in the game, but I certainly can't criticise him for giving it as a red.
The 2nd one looked justified too as Massey just got turned and out paced. Perhaps in hindsight he should have gambled and left it for Nathan to try and save his blushes. It was still a pretty even game at 10 v 11 and the team looked solid and well drilled.
In the end it was a hugely creditable performance from those left on the pitch and perhaps a bit harsh for them to have got the 3rd goal.
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Post by Iron In Me Blood on Aug 26, 2013 18:43:13 GMT
Would have to say how ordinary Barnet looked.....
They will be given a football lesson by the likes of Kidderminster, Wrexham, Cambridge, Grimsby etc
They didn't show anything in the first half hour to worry me.... It was only once Massey went that they had a lot more time on the ball and even then I lost count on the number of unforced errors, careless offsides, foul throws/chucks and misplaced passes they made....
For a full time team that were relegated from the football league last year I would've expected a lot more- if we had managed to keep it all square with at least 11 v 11 I think we would be all celebrating a comfortable home win!!
Onto the ref...... Massey and Wells didn't really give him much option but I lost count of the number of things he let go or sided with the opposition on!!
I look forward to hearing Gordon &Richards take on the game through their commentary!!
A few at the club are hopeful that Massey will only be a 1 or 2 match ban as he wasn't the last man but Wells is a cert to miss 3!! Which will hurt!!!!!!
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Post by ironmansimon on Aug 26, 2013 18:57:02 GMT
What a real shame that this game could not of been 11 v 11. I really think like many Barnet were awful.The two sendings off I feel will need to be looked at again its easy for us too look through rose tinted glasses but had these two challenges been reversed we would not be bitchin and moaning. However if Barnet think they are going straight back up they need to get real. They lacked in many areas, clueless going forward two big oafs at centre back, no leader in the middle and no real lethal threat up front. I agree with ironinmeblood other teams will give them a conference football lesson.
Ok so the next three games will be tough but after that 6 winable games out of 7. Lets not forget Kidderminster were bottom after 10 games last season and then finished an unluky second. Ok Barnet you may be top after 5 games but something tells me we shall see you at the Amlin next season. Onwards and upwards boys. The team did not let themselves down today.
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Post by braintreeo on Aug 26, 2013 19:03:18 GMT
Two clear red cards. Can't have any complaints both correct decisions Wells was a Red no matter if it was 1st or last minute, I'm afraid it was a reckless ill disciplined challenge. Massey denied a clear goal scoring opportunity and had to go and from then on it was damage limitation.
No idea how good Barnet are after that to be fair they set up to pass the ball and David's got both wingers and Full backs to stay wide second half and stretch the play which killed us off. Very disappointing day.
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Post by Iron In Me Blood on Aug 26, 2013 19:38:18 GMT
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Post by dbbn on Aug 26, 2013 20:56:23 GMT
What a real shame that this game could not of been 11 v 11. I really think like many Barnet were awful.The two sendings off I feel will need to be looked at again its easy for us too look through rose tinted glasses but had these two challenges been reversed we would not be bitchin and moaning. However if Barnet think they are going straight back up they need to get real. They lacked in many areas, clueless going forward two big oafs at centre back, no leader in the middle and no real lethal threat up front. I agree with ironinmeblood other teams will give them a conference football lesson. Ok so the next three games will be tough but after that 6 winable games out of 7. Lets not forget Kidderminster were bottom after 10 games last season and then finished an unluky second. Ok Barnet you may be top after 5 games but something tells me we shall see you at the Amlin next season. Onwards and upwards boys. The team did not let themselves down today. A bit of a short sighted view or at best through "orange" tinted specs about Barnet. Yes they didn't look anything special on todays showing and nobody could ever say how the game would've panned out if it had been XI v XI. You said they had no real threat upfront, yet Hyde is the top scorer in the Conference at the moment. As for the rest, see my earlier thread about what to expect from Barnet and it pretty much panned out that way. |
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Post by ironmansimon on Aug 26, 2013 22:32:59 GMT
Mate look I get what your saying but please take a peek at Barnets first 5 games and lets just see why Mr Hyde is top scorer and like I said earlier Barnet are in a false position at the moment.
I bet Mr Davids was creaming his pants when he saw his teams first 5 fixtures Nuneaton,Gateshead, Tamworth, Chester and now us. Not exactly a tough start to their campaign. If David Moyes thought his Fixtures were a tough start I think we have a polar opposite here. Lets just see what happens to Barnet after they have played Kiddie, Wrexham, Cambridge, Luton etc.
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Post by ad75 on Aug 27, 2013 7:08:31 GMT
Well done to the 9 who remained on the pitch. I agree that both were red cards, and most people around me all said 'red' as soon as Deano committed the foul.
I thought that the first re-shuffle was correct, as it gave us good balance, and grit in the centre.
I agreed with the second substitution too.
Once we were down to 9, I thought they were all outstanding. Even the weather made it harder for them. Chez and Kenny were superb, and the whole midfield 3 were tireless and deserved a medal. The back four did a fantastic job too, considering it had to re-shuffle twice.
I was disappointed by Barnet like most of us have said. There are some much better sides than them, and I expect them to get a reality check fairly soon.
On the day it was only 3 points lost, but being without Deano and Massey for the next 3 games will be tough.
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Post by 4whatitsworth on Aug 27, 2013 7:29:29 GMT
Can,t argue with either red cards, and like other postings would agree that with 11 men it would have been a different result.
The HEART shown by the magnificent 9 just shows the spirit that there is in this TEAM.
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Post by Stuart R on Aug 27, 2013 14:34:40 GMT
According to FA website Massey is only suspended for 1 match.
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Post by braintreeo on Aug 27, 2013 15:06:01 GMT
According to FA website Massey is only suspended for 1 match. Would think that's correct it was a professional foul so 1 game for Massey. Wells will be a miss as he get's Three games for Serious foul play. Hope BTFC don't appeal will cost the club money and Wells could get an additional ban if an appeal fails, it looked a very bad challenge. |
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Post by braintreeboy on Aug 27, 2013 16:12:32 GMT
That's a relief to hear that Massey will only miss the Macclesfield game but yeah I'm kinda hoping too that we don't appeal wells one. It will be tough without him for the 3 matches but I seem to remember an incredibly determined iron side take Luton out away last season on the Tuesday after wells got injured on the previous sat  so all is certainly not lost |
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Post by ironhorse on Aug 27, 2013 17:34:20 GMT
We are fortunate that the squad can cope with the loss of the center mid defenders, Matt will drop back into the rear along with Newman Carney or Sam Griffiths. Although they are rock solid we can survive losing two for one game and one for another two. I spoke to the ref assessor after the game and he felt that though the decisions were correct technically the referee could have used his judgement but was probably swayed by the barnet player making a meal of the tackle, don't quote me on that, but I can see everyone's point of view, from where I was looking it appeared. that Deano got the ball and not the player, Byrne was running around like a gazelle on heat 10 minutes later and scored the second with a powerful volley, its a case of having to take it on the chin and press on. Alan Massey's card could have been a yellow I felt, as he was not the last man, but a one match ban is far better than the three that Dean has got. Looking forward to the Macclesfield game as this will be a real test for the management team as they jig the team around with the suspensions in place. COYI.
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Post by coludave on Aug 27, 2013 20:33:02 GMT
as far as im aware, the 'last man' type scenarios like you say are fictitious. its all about denying a clear goalscoring opportunity, and an outfield player standing on the line doesnt change that in my opinion.
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Post by ironmansimon on Sept 22, 2013 19:26:25 GMT
Just wanted to add from my earlier post now we are 10 games in with regards to Barnet and Mr Hyde.... Told you so.
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Post by dbbn on Feb 26, 2014 17:44:12 GMT
Just wanted to add from my earlier post now we are 10 games in with regards to Barnet and Mr Hyde.... Told you so. How's your crystal ball working now Simon? |
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Post by ironmansimon on Feb 26, 2014 21:07:10 GMT
Just wanted to add from my earlier post now we are 10 games in with regards to Barnet and Mr Hyde.... Told you so. How's your crystal ball working now Simon?  Ball workin fine pal, Mr Hyde has scored only 11 goals and pulled his hamstring in his last game, and what with only 10 games left yes maybe they are looking play off candidates but I was referring to them 'walking' the league. thus far I think thats Luton, Season not over yet so what was your point ? I bet also many people would not of had Wrexham to of been so piss poor, or FGR who im pretty sure I said they would amount to nothing. Here is one for you crystal ball says Barnet, Braintree, Halifax and Luton to all win this weekend !! |
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Post by braintreeboy on Feb 26, 2014 22:06:57 GMT
Judging by each of those teams home form, overal form and who they are playing against I'd say ironmansimon may not even need his crystal ball! ;-)
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Post by dbbn on Feb 27, 2014 12:37:42 GMT
My point is that they have had 5 wins on the trot and forced themselves into the play off picture all since the departure of Davids. Yes Luton will win the league (I never said Barnet would - quite the contrary). I just thought that you may have re-appraised the situation.
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Post by Iron Webbo on Feb 27, 2014 14:28:31 GMT
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Post by braintreeo on Feb 27, 2014 14:42:51 GMT
Oh dear they don't have much luck with local councils do they.
What's the latest with our proposed new ground Mr Webbo?
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Post by Iron Webbo on Feb 27, 2014 15:45:01 GMT
Did you not see Tuesday's prog? - full update therein. More in Saturday's edition.
Lee
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Post by ironmansimon on Feb 27, 2014 20:21:50 GMT
My point is that they have had 5 wins on the trot and forced themselves into the play off picture all since the departure of Davids. Yes Luton will win the league (I never said Barnet would - quite the contrary). I just thought that you may have re-appraised the situation. Jake Hyde out for up to 6 weeks according to bbc sport website. Having looked at the Barnets position I think they will finish 4th behind Grimsby, Cambridge and Luton and the 5th spot .....Well lets just see . Keeping the dream alive |
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Post by braintreeo on Feb 27, 2014 22:56:04 GMT
Did you not see Tuesday's prog? - full update therein. More in Saturday's edition. Lee Laid up with Flu and missed the game and the update in the prog . |
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so all is certainly not lost
